hi sven,
could you please get us an official statement from fulltilt regarding the use of spadeeye with regard to their new datamining policy.is spadeeye as of now only allowed for scanning the tables or is using it for datamining still allowed???
thx
asteroid
I will try to get one.
I will try to get one.
thx!!
Sent a couple of questions about SpadeEye to FullTilt.
Still waiting for a reply from FullTilt, but i guess they will need some days to evaluate everything.
If they really dislike the SpadeEye tableopener, then it will be removed...
hi ,
still no answer from fulltilt?
3. The following types of programs may not be allowed during play, depending on their specific use:
* Subscription services that provide extra information about opponents, such as tournament histories and statistics
* Programs that could be used for collusion between players
* Programs that provide or assist in table selection
* Poker calculators that compute poker probabilities or hand values
* Other programs that confer an unfair advantage to the use
from fulltilt-poker mentioned in a 2+2 post about (temporal?) suspension of accounts using prohibited software.so you are still sure that spadeeye is allowed on fulltilt.apart from the usage for datamining i guess spadeeye is a program assisting in table selection!
so dont tap the glass comments arent very helpful and i would really like to have an official statement from fulltilt!
asteroid
Well, we can suppose a lot and everybody has it's own opinion,
but thats all worthless, because FullTilt has to decide,
and FullTilt needs to pull out a list of acceptable programs (like PokerStars does).
From my point of view:
- The tableselection stuff is 1000000 % legal.
If that's not allowed then every HUD and every tracking program needs to be prohibited, too,
as you can do tableselection with that, too.
I suppose point 3: "Programs that provide or assist in table selection" does not apply for a local tableselection utility like SpadeEye.
It's prohibits the things like Sharkscope and Tablerating, as these use centralized databases, which are nearly everywhere prohibited...
- The SpadeEye tableopener is a thing to worry about, unless SpadeEye is not a dataminer..
I mean FullTilt is writing the handhistory to disk on its own.
So you can datamine by a simple mouseclick.
You don't need SpadeEye for that...
Nevertheless, bottom line is: Nobody knows whats up.
We got to wait until FullTilt clarifies the situation.
I would like to get a contact person at FullTilt to clarify this,
and make the Software 100% FullTilt compliant
- as I did with PartyPoker and PokerStars -
but up to now I got no response from them...
Need to have some patience.
We will modify SpadeEye and find a solution.
I am trying to contact FullTilt and resolve this issue...
I am still unsure what FullTilt have in mind when they talk about "Tableselection".
In my oppinion it is ridiculous to disallow tableselection.
It's a players given right to choose what opponents he want to play against...
I can understand if they prohibit datamining,
but if they really prohibit tableselection then PokerTracker3 needs to be prohibited, too.
Not only in cause of the build-in tableselection utility (the TableTracker) but also because you can tableselect by simply opening a bunch of tables and waiting for the HUD to display the statistics before you evaluate the tables...
FullTilt probably refers to utilities like "tableratings" (that use a centralized player database) when they talk about "tableselection".
But nobody knows what they have in mind.
Nevertheless, bottom line is that I am currently trying to contact FullTilt and resolve this issue, even if FullTilt doesn't seem to be eager to help...
I guess it's not a big help to throw out a new application before I know "what is allowed? / what is not?".
Otherwise the new application will end up prohibited...